0.00	8.64	A:	[LABOV] (( )) people say I won't do it that way, you know ((I'm not going to knock hell out of him)), I'm going to talk to him. But, eh you find y- -- you can't. It's very mysterious.
8.52	10.63	A:	[JOE] Yes, but at six weeks only, you know.
10.47	10.95	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
10.95	13.49	A:	[JOE] She is smacking the hell out of the kid because it's crying.
13.33	14.51	A:	[LABOV] Well (( ))
13.49	19.03	A:	[JOE] And not only -- it's only -- it might want feeding or it's -- a nappy change in the early hours of the morning.
19.03	19.74	A:	[LABOV] Yeah I -- 
19.03	22.76	A:	[JOE] Instead of looking for the trouble, she is just hitting it to make it go to sleep.
23.30	25.35	A:	[JOE] And it's crying all the time.
25.35	28.96	A:	[LABOV] Well how do you get on with your day? If you have something that's really worrying you,
30.28	31.51	A:	[LABOV] Yeah, that's all right.
31.51	32.22	A:	[LABOV] Uh-huh.
32.22	34.22	A:	[LABOV] Well so in other words, if you're -- 
36.17	40.04	A:	[LABOV] Well the things that are usually bothering you -- that really bother you in women
40.04	41.34	A:	[LABOV] come right down to it. 
41.34	45.93	A:	[LABOV] Uh if -- maybe you'd have never -- you never got deeply involved with a girl. 
46.00	49.93	A:	[JOE] I've got deeply involved with one when I was sixteen. I I took her off me --
49.93	52.68	A:	[JOE] me mate like, you know. He was arsing around with her.
52.68	56.93	A:	[JOE] He thought he could do anything with her and she wouldn't have it. So we're in the ice rink,
56.93	60.56	A:	[JOE] and there's only me that could skate. I takes her out. We sits down.
60.56	63.49	A:	[JOE] She took hold of me hand and put it by her clout. 
63.49	65.28	A:	[JOE] This is a a
65.28	65.54	A:	[JOE]  fanny like. 
65.54	69.67	A:	[JOE] And uh you know, I said to meself, oh well ((I'm on)). So she says I'm going home now.
69.67	71.52	A:	[JOE] So I goes down to me mates. I said, listen
71.52	73.57	A:	[JOE] she is going home and you got to take her.
73.57	75.79	A:	[JOE] And he was getting a cob on me earlier, like.
75.79	79.11	A:	[JOE] Been talking to her all the time ((well now)) -- He said, no. So I said, well ((ta-ra)). 
79.11	82.60	A:	[JOE] I'm getting me shoes, taking the skates off and I'm going to take her home.
82.28	82.80	A:	[LABOV] ((Right.))
82.60	84.49	A:	[JOE] And I went with her for a few weeks.
84.34	84.84	A:	[LABOV] Mhm.
84.49	87.20	A:	[JOE] And as -- she hasn't got a father. Like, he is dead.
87.53	91.57	A:	[JOE] Sh- -- got one brother and just her (( )). Well I went for me Sunday dinner there once.
92.15	96.85	A:	[JOE] Had a good time and that. I took her up to our house the following Sunday. Sunday night like.
97.19	99.47	A:	[JOE] And uh, we're in the back kitchen er 
99.47	101.40	A:	[JOE] just about ready to have me little 
101.40	103.44	A:	[JOE] kissing session, like you know, necking.
103.44	104.66	A:	[JOE] And uh,
104.66	106.09	A:	[JOE] me old girl come in.
106.09	111.17	A:	[JOE] She is washing ((all bits of rag)). You know, she is looking after her son like. Make sure he doesn't get into mischief.
111.96	114.35	A:	[JOE] And she is washing these rags in the sink.
114.35	116.09	A:	[JOE] And she says to her um,
116.09	120.45	A:	[JOE] what are you going to do when you leave school like? She only had one term to do. She says, well
120.45	124.53	A:	[JOE] I want to be a shorthand typist and get married when I'm sixteen and a half.
124.53	129.62	A:	[JOE] I've got the transistor trying to get ((Luxy)) on and I just went (( )), you know.
129.62	132.71	A:	[JOE] Get married at sixteen and a half. Not me, love.
132.71	133.96	A:	[JOE] So uh,
133.96	135.12	A:	[JOE] me ma
135.12	136.87	A:	[JOE] she -- she done a wobbler.
136.87	139.13	A:	[JOE] She goes and she tells me dad
139.13	141.38	A:	[JOE] Me dad shouts at me and he says -- I says what? 
141.88	146.37	A:	[JOE] Get rid of her he says. You're not going to marry her when -- when she is sixteen and a half.
146.37	148.63	A:	[JOE] I'm telling you to get rid of her, otherwise
148.63	150.00	A:	[JOE] I'm going to throw you out.
150.30	155.05	A:	[JOE] Well I I couldn't afford to look after meself, otherwise I would have done it. I would have walked out.
155.05	156.79	A:	[JOE] Because, I really liked the girl.
157.39	158.34	A:	[JOE] So f-
158.34	160.98	A:	[JOE] I goes up on the Wednesday night to her house.
160.98	162.34	A:	[JOE] Takes her out.
162.34	165.88	A:	[JOE] Gets me necking session with her, and then just says, well listen, well uh,
165.88	167.59	A:	[JOE] I can't see you again.
167.59	169.39	A:	[JOE] She said, why? I said, well
169.39	173.29	A:	[JOE] I've been uh -- told to by me old fellow like otherwise he'd kick me out.
173.74	176.83	A:	[JOE] So she said, oh you can come and live in our house. I said, no.
178.01	179.19	A:	[JOE] And just left her.
179.49	183.19	A:	[EDDIE] Now she is married with about fifteen kids, isn't she. 
181.96	183.80	A:	[JOE] No, I don't -- no f-
183.40	184.29	A:	[LABOV] Yeah but,
183.80	186.27	A:	[JOE] I'd like to go down and see her again but,
186.27	187.93	A:	[JOE] I never get courage enough.
186.92	188.95	A:	[LABOV] But she was pushing pretty hard.
190.02	191.93	A:	[EDDIE] (( )) she must (( ))
190.04	191.37	A:	[JOE] Yeah, we --
191.37	194.94	A:	[JOE] we used to walk around town, you know. At -- I'd see her and that'd be it.
194.94	198.70	A:	[JOE] There's one thing she always done eh -- a baby shop -- like MotherCare.
198.70	200.65	A:	[JOE] This is you know, ((I al-)) --
198.85	202.12	A:	[EDDIE] Oh, I'd look in the shop. That's what my (( )).
200.65	203.21	A:	[JOE] And she used to -- she used to always say to me um, 
203.21	209.86	A:	[JOE] oh I love that baby's dress, and I love that baby's pram, and I love that baby's ((cuss)). Everthing was baby, baby I s- --
209.86	213.22	A:	[JOE] You know, I used to get worried meself saying, gor blimey love, you know.
213.22	215.65	A:	[JOE] Don't turn around and say I've put you up the chute.
215.46	218.52	A:	[LABOV] That's -- that's the force that that keeps the human race going.
217.85	218.63	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
218.52	221.52	A:	[LABOV] She has got it. She really wants to.
222.07	222.71	A:	[LABOV] Now --
222.41	225.91	A:	[EDDIE] Where does she live? 
223.91	226.44	A:	[JOE] ((Down in the)) (( )) ((uh, you know, by the))
225.91	229.47	A:	[EDDIE] Oh, yeah, by the northern. Oh, I'll have to get down there.
226.44	227.12	A:	[JOE] (( )).
228.06	229.84	A:	[LABOV] She did -- she did get married though.
229.95	232.99	A:	[JOE] Uh, well uh, you know I've never seen her since I -- I left her.
232.99	235.66	A:	[LABOV] But she still -- she got to you though.
235.66	238.15	A:	[JOE] Oh she really got to- I still think of her now.
237.89	238.49	A:	[LABOV] Uh-huh.
238.55	240.20	A:	[JOE] No, she is a sweet girl.
246.49	247.81	A:	[LABOV] Well the uh
254.44	256.35	A:	[JOE] Any of your loved ones,
256.92	258.70	A:	[JOE] besides the one you're going with.
259.42	261.18	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah, I was engaged, wasn't I?
261.07	261.81	A:	[LABOV] Weird
261.99	263.96	A:	[EDDIE] ((My)) -- Oh, you never knew her, did you.
263.96	267.20	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah. I was only seventeen, though.
267.20	270.08	A:	[EDDIE] Little ((owl-arse)) of a kid I was.
270.30	271.39	A:	[LABOV] So you got engaged.
271.24	273.33	A:	[EDDIE] I did get engaged once.
273.33	274.53	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
274.53	279.69	A:	[EDDIE] But then she started getting bossy. ((No)) go to the alehouse. I've two pints, come on, I want to go home.
276.70	277.41	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
279.69	287.47	A:	[EDDIE] We'll go over to our house. I want to listen to the records or see the telly. And then they got that fucking browned off. I said, fuck off, girl.
287.39	290.43	A:	[JOE] That's -- I wouldn't like get -- be engaged like because
291.02	293.55	A:	[JOE] You pay for the do. You pay for the ring.
293.55	297.55	A:	[JOE] Like, two months later, I mean, she could turn around to you and say, well
293.95	295.05	A:	[EDDIE] Oh, that's what mine -- 
297.55	299.50	A:	[JOE] piss off, I've found a better bloke. 
299.50	301.81	A:	[JOE] So you've -- you've laid all that money out for nothing.
301.81	303.14	A:	[LABOV] Some girls send the ring back.
303.01	303.72	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
303.63	312.99	A:	[LABOV] I just talked to one who took the ring and -- this fellow said to her, come on down I want to buy you a present. And he took her into the jewelry shop and said, pick out an engagement ring. That was the way of doing it.
312.20	313.00	A:	[JOE] Mm.
312.99	318.09	A:	[LABOV] And af- -- She was uh only sixteen. She was very impressed, but then uh, she thought about it.
318.09	326.33	A:	[LABOV] She sewed the ring to a letter and sent it back to him. And she has been regretting that ever since, because she married a guy who is making only fourteen pounds a week.
329.71	334.23	A:	[LABOV] She said to me that what she really wanted was to live what they call in Wales, tully.
334.20	334.95	A:	[EDDIE] Tally.
334.95	336.38	A:	[EDDIE] Live tally.
335.03	336.28	A:	[LABOV] ((You have it around here?))
335.18	335.60	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
336.21	336.77	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
336.77	339.58	A:	[JOE] That's living together without being married like, you know.
337.82	340.41	A:	[EDDIE] You're just living together without being married, that's all.
340.25	345.97	A:	[LABOV] But but sh- -- what she meant only if the girl -- the woman has already had children. So the guy living with her is not responsible for them.
345.97	350.21	A:	[LABOV] So he is free and she is free. Y- that's a custom around here too.
346.91	347.54	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
347.47	348.14	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
350.24	350.71	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
350.26	353.20	A:	[JOE] Yeah. You know, it it all depends on the people.
351.81	353.68	A:	[EDDIE] ((It is)) and it's not like, you know.
353.63	359.19	A:	[JOE] It all the depends on the two people consent. If they want to do it, they -- they do it. They just go out and bu- eh -- get a flat.
354.02	354.83	A:	[EDDIE] ((I mean --))
358.61	360.57	A:	[EDDIE] ((.. fellow made sure of that))
360.57	361.66	A:	[EDDIE] I mean.
361.66	363.03	A:	[EDDIE] Is that ((how you put it))?
363.03	369.63	A:	[EDDIE] If you want to re- -- In that case, if you really want to feel free, you make sure you don't put your tart up the chute, like, you know, the chute.
369.63	374.67	A:	[EDDIE] So, in that case, if she is not up the chute, you are free. You can go out whenever you want.
374.67	376.96	A:	[EDDIE] No -- there's no arguments involved or nothing.
379.73	385.63	A:	[JOE] Well maybe they do put it up the uh chute. And, neither of you want the kid, you could always get the abortion.
386.18	388.48	A:	[LABOV] Well how do you -- what do you think about abortion?
388.48	391.03	A:	[JOE] Well I -- well I wouldn't eh have it myself.
390.89	391.35	A:	[LABOV] No?
391.03	393.82	A:	[JOE] Even if the girl I was going with and I wasn't married to. And
393.82	396.61	A:	[JOE] she had it like uh. I'd try me best not to uh,
397.43	399.04	A:	[JOE] not to have it done away with.
399.66	404.52	A:	[EDDIE] Adoption is better anyway. Least the kid has got a chance to live.
407.76	409.75	A:	[LABOV] Oh, you think that killing is just wrong?
409.51	410.14	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
411.05	414.15	A:	[JOE] It's senseless, like. Yes, it's senseless.
411.12	413.64	A:	[EDDIE] Well, I wouldn't -- Not really, like.
413.64	416.30	A:	[EDDIE] Well, if the child is not even living, like it
416.30	417.87	A:	[EDDIE] hasn't even ((come into the world)).
416.66	418.66	A:	[JOE] It's living inside the body isn't it?
418.56	421.56	A:	[EDDIE] Oh, well, yeah, but it hasn't even come into the world by then, has it?
421.44	424.46	A:	[JOE] No. It doesn't come in to the world but, it's still living inside.
424.87	426.38	A:	[EDDIE] It's true, yeah.
426.40	428.07	A:	[JOE] You made it live.
428.07	430.14	A:	[JOE] It's not up to you to bleeding kill it.
433.19	440.50	A:	[LABOV] Well what about the other way around? Often was one case where this woman had -- had only six months to live,
440.50	448.31	A:	[LABOV] so they said, and she was in terrible pain from cancer and the doctor had these pills and she eh said to him, how many should I take and he said two, but
448.31	451.25	A:	[LABOV] ((if you)) don't take more than two. And he said well,
451.25	456.61	A:	[LABOV] just leave it by the bed and I'll take as many as I want. Now the question, should the doctor do it?
456.48	457.10	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
458.05	459.14	A:	[EDDIE] Well, ah.
459.75	461.95	A:	[JOE] Well I don't think -- I think he should have a -- 
461.90	462.85	A:	[EDDIE] I think he shou-
461.95	464.48	A:	[JOE] You know, a nurse standing by and she gives it to.
464.48	468.77	A:	[EDDIE] Uh. To make sure. Or someone responsible there, anyway.
468.80	472.39	A:	[LABOV] Well, is -- shouldn't a person have a right to -- to
473.71	476.46	A:	[EDDIE] In that case, she has, but ah.
474.04	476.08	A:	[LABOV] (( ))
476.46	482.38	A:	[EDDIE] In another way, she might n- -- sh- -- she might be insane, might she? ((I mean,)) to say a thing like that.
482.38	483.69	A:	[JOE] No, not really.
483.69	486.82	A:	[JOE] ((Oh, if)) she has -- she has only got six months to live. She is d- eh --
487.42	492.41	A:	[JOE] Getting terrible pains with this cancer. You know, she wants to end it all. She wants to get rid of the pain.
494.06	497.73	A:	[JOE] There's a lot of thing you read in the paper about uh old women. 
498.32	504.64	A:	[JOE] They're being kept alive in hospital with these drugs and that. You know, they're just withering away into nothing.
505.85	508.70	A:	[LABOV] Or people get a stroke and they just sit there like vegetables. 
507.25	507.95	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
508.40	509.28	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
509.48	511.06	A:	[LABOV] But um,
511.06	518.97	A:	[LABOV] Well s- eh -- this -- the big issue comes up. Suppose you -- you had only a couple years to live. Would you want people to tell you?
518.84	520.35	A:	[JOE] Yeah. I would.
519.49	520.18	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
521.83	523.80	A:	[EDDIE] Well, then you'd make sure an- -- 
523.80	529.09	A:	[EDDIE] If I only had two -- if someone t- came up to me now and said I've got two years to live,
529.09	533.34	A:	[EDDIE] well, I'd thank them, and then I'd get -- ((go out)) tonight. 
533.34	537.57	A:	[EDDIE] I'd get a good bath, put me shoes on, go down the town,
537.57	542.07	A:	[EDDIE] goose as many tarts as I could, and get drunk. And I'd do that as long as I could.
541.96	545.30	A:	[JOE] Well it -- it makes -- it makes me laugh these uh, 
542.07	544.05	A:	[EDDIE] As often as I could.
545.30	549.06	A:	[JOE] these doctors who say you've got three months to live or three years to live.
549.06	551.04	A:	[EDDIE] And in the end you have longer to live.
549.63	553.36	A:	[JOE] And nineteen years later, you know, you're still going. You're still going good.
553.34	554.75	A:	[LABOV] That's happened.
556.22	559.56	A:	[JOE] ((I tell you uh --)) It wouldn't bother me, you know, if he said uh three weeks. 
559.56	561.31	A:	[JOE] I'd just say, well okay three weeks.
561.31	563.24	A:	[JOE] And I -- I'd go out and try to beat him.
563.24	564.51	A:	[JOE] Make it four weeks.
565.93	568.56	A:	[JOE] You know, I c- -- as long as I could. I would.
568.56	571.40	A:	[JOE] I'd like to go back to the doctor and say, hey, pal you are wrong.
571.86	573.36	A:	[EDDIE] ((You're still top of the)) list.
572.07	573.37	A:	[JOE] You are ((last)).
573.36	576.03	A:	[EDDIE] You're only a quack. 
576.49	579.04	A:	[LABOV] Some people say, whatever is going to happen is going to happen.
578.80	579.51	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
579.04	580.52	A:	[LABOV] You think that's true?
582.38	587.99	A:	[EDDIE] Well there are professional people like a doctor or a specialist, you know eh,
587.99	589.99	A:	[EDDIE] you've got to believe in them, haven't you?
589.99	595.40	A:	[EDDIE] But er you know, a quack, you know, v- c- -- anyone, like, you know, in this profession, something like that,
595.40	600.01	A:	[EDDIE] Well, he is -- he is either round the bend or he doesn't know his job, so.
600.79	601.72	A:	[JOE] Huh m- --
601.72	605.29	A:	[JOE] it makes me laugh. These scientists now. I read in the paper the other day, 
605.29	613.24	A:	[JOE] trying to ((de- -- they're)) trying to develop chickens with shorter legs, so as the egg won't have as far to drop, because too many are uh cracking.
605.29	607.56	A:	[EDDIE] Oh, the chickens. 
612.08	612.89	A:	[EDDIE] Cracking.
613.24	618.22	A:	[JOE] You know, it t- -- instead of spending that money on cancer and other diseases,
618.22	621.74	A:	[JOE] they're spending it on the likes of a bloody chicken for shorter legs.
621.74	622.86	A:	[JOE] Makes you laugh.
622.64	629.61	A:	[LABOV] Yeah, if you ever saw these big chicken farms, it begins to turn your stomach because they've got them in these baskets they they -- the chickens -- they never move.
628.38	629.28	A:	[JOE] Yeah. 
629.28	632.14	A:	[JOE] Yeah, it's on a conveyor belt going along it, yeah.
629.61	631.82	A:	[LABOV] ((The food comes in -- right.))
631.82	639.35	A:	[LABOV] The food goes by on a conveyor belt and the eggs are carried away on the other side and the chicken is just just there eh like a machine. Eh,
636.41	637.08	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
639.35	642.05	A:	[LABOV] So they can -- they -- they've had a lot of luck with chickens.
642.54	644.54	A:	[LABOV] Much more so than with people.
644.70	645.49	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
646.21	648.46	A:	[LABOV] But they'll start breeding people that way too.
648.50	649.02	A:	[JOE] Mm.
649.99	652.64	A:	[LABOV] Now if you look -- see, now what are you look for in a girl? 
652.98	654.64	A:	[LABOV] ((In other -- what -- what do you --))
654.92	655.88	A:	[JOE] Well I like f- --
654.98	656.65	A:	[EDDIE] ((A nice)) personality.
656.65	657.47	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
657.47	660.11	A:	[EDDIE] Personality. Appearance.
658.30	660.80	A:	[JOE] Personality, good looks, and uh,
660.68	662.58	A:	[EDDIE] No. Well, looks is nothing, is it?
662.58	664.02	A:	[EDDIE] That's only eh --
663.00	663.68	A:	[JOE] Yes.
664.02	665.00	A:	[EDDIE] No, it's not.
665.78	667.17	A:	[JOE] Would you marry Angie?
668.21	669.68	A:	[EDDIE] Would I marry Angie?
669.26	669.85	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
669.68	671.87	A:	[EDDIE] No, because I don't like her personality.
671.16	674.32	A:	[JOE] You don't like her looks neither.
674.32	676.54	A:	[JOE] ((You don't like her))
674.63	679.50	A:	[EDDIE] Oh, ((well, sh- --)). I don't know, she is not a bad little chick when she is eh done up, like.
678.25	679.55	A:	[JOE] You must be joking.
679.50	682.97	A:	[EDDIE] Oh, I'll tell you what, I wouldn't mind fucking screwing her((you know what I mean)).
682.77	683.99	A:	[JOE] That's about all. 
684.57	689.19	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah, but, you know, like I said, I wouldn't marry her, because she hasn't got a nice personality.
689.19	691.82	A:	[EDDIE] Personality and appearance, that's all that counts.
691.81	695.12	A:	[LABOV] Probably -- you know the one thing that's even more important than that is health.
695.65	701.18	A:	[LABOV] You marry a -- if you marry you know uh -- uh going to marry a girl I'm -- you're talking about just going out with a girl ((-- you marry a girl --))
699.69	700.41	A:	[JOE] Mm.
701.18	703.63	A:	[LABOV] Check her out and be sure she is good and healthy.
703.63	707.42	A:	[LABOV] Because ((living with)) sickly women are the ones that are really (( ))
708.48	712.15	A:	[LABOV] Uh but though in England now you have the -- well even so.
712.15	716.88	A:	[LABOV] ((I tell you.)) But do you really think that looks are not the thing you look for most.
716.18	722.68	A:	[EDDIE] Nah. I mean, yeah. If you, you know, it's a one-night stand, if you look, you know, say you want a night out on the town.
722.68	725.21	A:	[EDDIE] If you're looking for a bit of the other, well, yeah.
725.21	726.96	A:	[EDDIE] But you know, say, you're -- 
726.96	729.20	A:	[EDDIE] you're going steady with a girl. ((Well,))
729.20	737.63	A:	[JOE] It's every man to his own choosing. You know, if he likes to go out with a girl who's not really good looking it's up to him. It's not for us to go up to him and say uh, she is not good enough for you ((bub)).
737.07	738.49	A:	[EDDIE] I tell you what my motto -- 
738.49	743.64	A:	[EDDIE] A good-looking girl, she never makes a good eh -- but an ugly-looking one, I'll tell you what.
742.17	742.88	A:	[JOE] W- -- wife.
743.64	747.25	A:	[EDDIE] Ooh. I always dream of them every night. 
747.06	748.60	A:	[JOE] What the ugly-looking ones.
748.49	749.20	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
749.20	750.38	A:	[EDDIE] They don't (( )).
749.59	751.50	A:	[LABOV] Talking about the face or the body?
752.12	753.06	A:	[EDDIE] The face.
753.00	756.54	A:	[LABOV] Yeah, the face is what you're talking about. But you want a girl with a build.
753.02	753.64	A:	[JOE] Face.
754.75	755.33	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
754.88	755.52	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
756.54	758.25	A:	[LABOV] ((Well, as we say, uh s- --))
758.21	759.71	A:	[EDDIE] Bit of muscle on them.
759.57	760.03	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
759.71	760.51	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
761.94	767.11	A:	[LABOV] Uh, well English girls -- as a matter of fact, they look pretty horsey to me. I admire their figures sometime, and their dressing. 
767.11	775.01	A:	[LABOV] But eh, a lot of them have these de- -- uh long faces and long noses. Like you you guys have -- are sort of built that way, like a horse ((a little bit)).
774.73	777.88	A:	[JOE] Yeah well, mine was put there by three girls.
777.85	780.49	A:	[EDDIE] Me ma dropped me when I was born.
781.18	789.55	A:	[LABOV] But uh, uh I uh -- I think the girls are pretty -- pretty smart uh all around uh.
789.55	796.11	A:	[LABOV] So you figure that uh -- that you would want someone to tell you if you were (( ))
796.02	796.60	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
796.11	806.61	A:	[LABOV] (( )) Now in almost every family I've talked to there some guy or some woman who has a feeling something is going to happen and then, by god, it does happen.
796.55	797.11	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
806.66	807.95	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah
807.95	811.24	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah, ((well)) that's only ah -- what's the word, intuition?
811.19	814.81	A:	[LABOV] Oh ((or)) some people think they're psychic. Is there anybody like that in your family?
811.24	812.43	A:	[EDDIE] Isn't it?
815.21	816.33	A:	[JOE] No.
816.33	818.54	A:	[JOE] Well we all go on uh -- 
821.00	827.06	A:	[JOE] She won't go on -- have an operation. She thinks that if eh -- they open her up, She is going to get cancer in the operating room.
827.06	827.38	A:	[LABOV] Uh-huh.
827.06	828.13	A:	[JOE] And that's if --
828.50	831.90	A:	[JOE] even if there's no trace of it in her body. She thinks that's i- -- I --
831.90	835.25	A:	[JOE] as soon as they cut me open, even in the (( )) I'm going to have cancer.
835.25	836.27	A:	[JOE] And she won't have it.
836.29	836.84	A:	[LABOV] Well that's
836.58	840.14	A:	[JOE] She has ulcers but, she has the tubes up her nose to uh swill them away.
840.14	840.55	A:	[LABOV] Uh-huh.
840.55	842.42	A:	[JOE] Up her nose and down her throat and they swill them.
843.71	847.88	A:	[JOE] Be more simpler for her to have it cut open and have them cut it -- yeah.
845.96	848.06	A:	[LABOV] Stomach ulcers. You say you got some, too.
847.88	849.58	A:	[JOE] Yeah, I've got duodenal.
849.77	850.70	A:	[LABOV] Uh-huh.
851.91	853.55	A:	[LABOV] Do you worry a lot?
853.55	854.74	A:	[LABOV] You're not a worrier?
854.74	855.35	A:	[JOE] No.
855.35	856.57	A:	[JOE] Nothing to worry over.
856.88	859.18	A:	[JOE] You know, I'm on the dole, I'm single. I mean, 
859.18	863.26	A:	[JOE] I can be skint, and I can go out and he'll buy me a few bevvies and
863.26	868.61	A:	[JOE] couple of the lads out the club. They'll buy me a few bevvies. I'll do the same for them when I've got a few bob and they're out of work.
868.57	869.21	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
868.83	871.95	A:	[JOE] And that's -- you know, I -- I've got me own personal --
870.98	875.11	A:	[EDDIE] That's the way life is, when you're skint, someone pays for you.
871.95	875.11	A:	[JOE] I've got me own mates and they're good to me and I'm good to them.
875.02	875.70	A:	[LABOV] Mm.
875.76	876.77	A:	[JOE] ((Uh we uh))
877.89	883.88	A:	[JOE] we don't go around anywhere much, you know. Might go to the -- a cabaret club. We won't go to these clubs where all the --
884.19	890.43	A:	[JOE] all the birds are, because you always end up fighting and that's what I don't want. Ah i- -- ((neither do you, do you, lad))?
890.01	893.48	A:	[LABOV] You you're getting into old age. You're getting peaceable that's why.
892.49	899.14	A:	[JOE] No d- -- yeah, I'm getting -- I'm peaceable and quiet like, but, that's the way I have be- -- That's the way I have been for quite a long while.
895.70	899.15	A:	[EDDIE] No, you go out to enjoy yourself, but that's about all, like, you know.
899.15	903.85	A:	[EDDIE] Say, a couple of years, ((if they started it)) you wouldn't mind it, you know, joining in.
900.14	901.12	A:	[JOE] I c- -- I c-
903.85	908.93	A:	[EDDIE] But now when I go out with my tart, alls I want is eh a good time. So you know, just to enjoy meself.
908.93	914.14	A:	[JOE] Well when I was younger I went around with quite a few lads. You know, seven or eight lads. And 
912.38	913.98	A:	[EDDIE] You know, a gang, like ((then)).
914.14	917.96	A:	[JOE] fighting didn't m- -- didn't worry you really because, you were with a gang to back you up.
918.86	923.29	A:	[JOE] It was ve- -- very rare I went to a pub on me own or with one or two lads.
924.68	927.17	A:	[JOE] Well that's when you -- when you do get caught.
928.26	932.69	A:	[LABOV] Yeah, I see where it makes a difference because most groups break up, some guys get married, 
932.57	933.02	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
932.69	936.10	A:	[LABOV] some go away, some get in the service, stuff like that.
932.74	933.36	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
934.70	935.37	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
936.10	942.92	A:	[LABOV] So uh after a while you're just one or two ((uh, seems to be)). But, also, you must have seen a certain number of guys get get fucked up.
938.22	938.95	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
942.84	943.92	A:	[EDDIE] Oh, aye yeah.
943.96	945.68	A:	[JOE] ((Oh)) seen quite a few.
945.46	951.73	A:	[LABOV] So after a while you get -- but uh, y- you uh -- What about traveling outside of Liverpool? ((Have you done that very much))?
951.42	956.26	A:	[EDDIE] Well, we do that nearly every -- you know, when the football season starts. You travel away.
954.90	955.90	A:	[LABOV] Uh-huh.
956.26	962.49	A:	[JOE] Well that's uh -- that's why I I left my job. I -- you know, two of the lads I was knocking around with at the time.
956.46	957.70	A:	[LABOV] You go with a club.
962.94	966.64	A:	[JOE] They said uh, fancy going to Jersey for the summer. I said, yes, certainly.
966.64	967.97	A:	[JOE] (( )) 
968.57	970.95	A:	[JOE] So I makes the -- I makes the arrangements.
970.95	973.65	A:	[JOE] The train down to London. The boat over.
973.95	976.25	A:	[JOE] The hot- -- eh the flat.
976.25	980.27	A:	[JOE] That's all the arrangements. I goes in on a Thursday night. We were leaving on a Friday.
979.88	980.52	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
980.47	982.39	A:	[JOE] This is three weeks later, like.
982.39	983.86	A:	[JOE] I says uh, okay,
983.86	987.26	A:	[JOE] all the plans are made. What time are we meeting tomorrow and where? 
987.26	988.67	A:	[JOE] They says, oh we're not going.
988.67	990.04	A:	[JOE] We didn't take you seriously.
990.04	992.15	A:	[JOE] Well I -- I'd packed me job.
990.04	992.27	A:	[EDDIE] See, he is l- -- he is left without a job, ((him)) ((then)).
992.15	995.01	A:	[JOE] I packed me job but, they've still got a job now. They left me. 
992.27	993.04	A:	[EDDIE] ((You see.))
995.01	999.58	A:	[JOE] And the same guys never turn around, even when they walk in the pub now and say, well you're on the dole.
998.60	1000.88	A:	[EDDIE] (( )). Here is a drink.
999.58	1002.53	A:	[JOE] Here's a couple of bob seeing as you're skint.
1002.53	1004.04	A:	[JOE] They don't want to know me now. 
1004.04	1005.08	A:	[JOE] I'm out of work.
1005.61	1006.69	A:	[LABOV] Hey.
1006.53	1009.88	A:	[JOE] You know, I said, well if that's what mates are, I don't want to know.
1008.13	1009.29	A:	[LABOV] ((Some shit.))
1009.42	1012.94	A:	[EDDIE] Well, you always find your mates out in the end, like. That's the old saying.
1011.28	1011.76	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
1013.23	1018.55	A:	[JOE] I had a good job. I was on thirty pound a week. You know the way they say a lazy -- eh an English man is a lazy man?
1018.55	1019.91	A:	[JOE] Regards to work.
1019.91	1021.77	A:	[JOE] Well with me it's true like.
1021.77	1023.93	A:	[JOE] I'd go into work on a Monday.
1023.76	1024.59	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
1023.93	1026.29	A:	[JOE] I'd go in -- into the yard at half past seven.
1026.29	1027.38	A:	[JOE] Book on.
1027.38	1028.86	A:	[JOE] He'd send me to a ship.
1029.38	1035.24	A:	[JOE] And I'd -- I wouldn't do a s- -- a stitch. I was fire watching. With welders and burners. I would stand there with a bucket of water
1035.24	1038.21	A:	[JOE] and a fire extinguisher. In case any fire started.
1038.70	1039.89	A:	[JOE] Now eh,
1039.89	1044.84	A:	[JOE] I got well in with the welders and the burners. So I'd say well, listen, Fred uh,
1044.84	1047.74	A:	[JOE] I've got a job doing in Liverpool on the side.
1047.74	1051.02	A:	[JOE] I want to get over for it at half-eleven. Okay, ta-ra. 
1051.02	1057.72	A:	[JOE] So I wouldn't see him then until the next day. I'd just go straight back to the ship. And I'd be booking three or four hours a day over-time.
1057.72	1059.93	A:	[JOE] No chance of getting caught.
1058.91	1061.71	A:	[EDDIE] So you're getting paid for doing nothing.
1059.93	1062.22	A:	[JOE] I wa- -- I was on average 
1062.45	1063.77	A:	[JOE] bringing home
1063.77	1066.24	A:	[JOE] twenty-two to twenty-six quid a week. 
1066.24	1069.12	A:	[JOE] For doing nothing. I was in the alehouse every afternoon.
1068.69	1069.85	A:	[LABOV] Great racket.
1069.77	1073.08	A:	[EDDIE] Well, he gave that all up, you see.
1069.92	1076.44	A:	[JOE] It was a great -- you know I left -- I left that job. I left that job to go with them. And they turn around and say well, we're not going, man.
1076.44	1077.92	A:	[EDDIE] ((You're not going with only -- ))
1076.44	1078.66	A:	[JOE] So I said well, you know
1078.83	1080.53	A:	[EDDIE] Fuck the lot of you and that's it.
1079.02	1080.67	A:	[LABOV] (( )) ((some shit)).
1080.19	1082.78	A:	[JOE] you call yourself mates. You're not worthy. 
1083.27	1085.12	A:	[JOE] You go to town with them.
1085.12	1088.71	A:	[JOE] And uh it's uh, oh I bought the last round. It's your turn.
1088.57	1093.94	A:	[EDDIE] No, it's uh -- the famous saying is, uh, ((whose round is it, your round, get it in, you know)). 
1093.28	1095.87	A:	[JOE] First thing you say when you get in the pub, who's getting the ale in.
1096.65	1098.06	A:	[JOE] Who's getting the ale in?
1098.30	1100.06	A:	[JOE] And if you stay behind uh
1100.06	1105.64	A:	[JOE] well I'm skint I've only got enough for tomorrow. They don't tell you they've got an- -- another ten pound in the house like, you know.
1105.64	1109.14	A:	[JOE] Don't mind you paying as soon as you show yourself with a few bob.
1109.14	1111.38	A:	[JOE] They all of a sudden seem to go skint.
1111.38	1117.14	A:	[EDDIE] Well, that's why I like courting, now. I know who's getting a round in. Me. All the time.
1117.72	1119.56	A:	[LABOV] Yeah, but uh,
1120.19	1127.22	A:	[LABOV] Guys you're with screw around a lot and they joke around a lot and uh, but uh when something like this happens uh it's quite a shock.
1127.22	1135.17	A:	[LABOV] Because you always figure that they're uh, you know when you get down to -- Well they've been with you. These are the guys that used to go around with you.
1135.05	1135.82	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
1135.73	1137.93	A:	[LABOV] And they've been with you in some tight places, right?
1137.93	1139.94	A:	[LABOV] And they stood up for you, right.
1139.94	1142.77	A:	[JOE] Not these -- no, I w- -- I was only going around with them for a --
1142.77	1147.44	A:	[JOE] I'd knew them all through me life like but, I hadn't been knocking around with them really long. It's about 
1147.44	1151.66	A:	[JOE] six months, wasn't it? You know. At the most, six months.
1151.86	1153.43	A:	[JOE] And they done that on me.
1154.67	1157.33	A:	[LABOV] I want to ask you (( )) uh,
1157.33	1162.01	A:	[LABOV] common sense, you see, is the thing that I I get involved with. Now what's common sense as far as you're concerned?
1162.86	1164.84	A:	[EDDIE] Common sense to me.
1164.84	1166.80	A:	[EDDIE] Eh.
1166.80	1170.43	A:	[EDDIE] Keeping out of trouble when it's not necessary.
1170.43	1172.86	A:	[EDDIE] K- Eh.
1175.89	1177.82	A:	[EDDIE] This is in my own view, like.
1177.82	1180.10	A:	[EDDIE] Eh. Not spending money.
1180.10	1183.39	A:	[EDDIE] When you're not liking ((the sort of thing )), you know.
1183.17	1184.28	A:	[JOE] What you mean by that? 
1184.28	1185.48	A:	[EDDIE] You know, say,
1185.48	1190.84	A:	[EDDIE] you buy an ice cream and you don't like it just to please someone. Well, some- -- you know, s- anything like that.
1192.39	1194.98	A:	[EDDIE] Keeping away from trouble. What else?
1196.93	1199.21	A:	[JOE] Me own common sense to me is
1199.21	1202.08	A:	[JOE] doing what I think I should do and and what I shouldn't do.
1202.08	1205.37	A:	[JOE] Or it -- like you said uh, keeping out of trouble. 
1205.37	1209.29	A:	[JOE] There's sometimes when you got to go -- you got to go in to defend someone.
1209.29	1210.79	A:	[JOE] I mean, I wouldn't say
1209.29	1212.96	A:	[EDDIE] No, (( )) -- no, when I said it's not necessary, I mean.
1212.96	1215.60	A:	[EDDIE] If that's not common sense, I don't know what is.
1214.73	1218.95	A:	[JOE] Yeah, but I mean, supposing you see two fellows on the street working an old man over, what are you going to do?
1218.95	1220.03	A:	[JOE] Just walk away?
1218.95	1222.62	A:	[EDDIE] Oh, go over and help him. Yeah, I'll go over and help him.
1222.62	1226.79	A:	[JOE] What do you mean by helping? Like go into the fight itself, or wait until it -- the fight is over?
1225.55	1226.64	A:	[EDDIE] ((No, try and stop it.))
1226.64	1228.18	A:	[EDDIE] Try and stop it.
1228.18	1231.85	A:	[EDDIE] Mind you, there's uh more of a chance you'll get worked over then, so.
1231.67	1232.83	A:	[JOE] Sure, yeah.
1232.83	1235.86	A:	[JOE] The likes of these coppers I wouldn't go and help though.
1236.30	1236.61	A:	[LABOV] No?
1236.61	1240.08	A:	[JOE] No, I've nothing against a copper. I think -- I think most coppers are very good.
1240.56	1242.75	A:	[JOE] But uh, there was a fellow --
1240.60	1243.29	A:	[EDDIE] Some of them are right bastards, though, aren't they.
1242.75	1244.62	A:	[JOE] There was a fellow that went in
1245.03	1248.79	A:	[JOE] to eh -- help a cop. He was getting worked over by four fellows.
1248.79	1250.50	A:	[JOE] And he gets worked over.
1250.50	1253.57	A:	[JOE] and the four fellows scarpered when they heard they heard all the police cars coming. 
1254.01	1256.57	A:	[JOE] And this fellow is lying on the deck badly beaten.
1256.57	1258.15	A:	[JOE] And he got done for it.
1258.37	1260.27	A:	[JOE] They charged him with beating the copper up.
1260.27	1262.00	A:	[JOE] And he went in to help him.
1262.00	1267.08	A:	[JOE] You know, so, eh -- that's the type of cop I -- you can come across. The likes are in Dale Street.
1267.15	1268.19	A:	[EDDIE] Aw.
1268.02	1273.64	A:	[JOE] In town now that -- that's a bad place. You've only got to walk in there. You get put in your cell, and that's it. You're going to get worked over. 
1273.64	1274.77	A:	[JOE] It's a formality. 
1275.52	1276.24	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
1276.65	1277.93	A:	[LABOV] The Dale Street Station. 
1277.71	1280.26	A:	[JOE] Yeah. No matter whether you're drunk or not.
1278.58	1283.44	A:	[LABOV] Oh there's uh one case in uh New York City where this Puerto Rican grocer
1283.44	1285.69	A:	[LABOV] was uh 
1285.69	1291.36	A:	[LABOV] saw this cop being attacked by a crowd in front of a store and he went to help the cop.
1291.67	1293.56	A:	[LABOV] And he got a medal for it, see.
1294.27	1296.94	A:	[LABOV] But the people in the neighborhood stopped buying.
1296.94	1298.52	A:	[LABOV] And he went out of business.
1298.27	1299.20	A:	[EDDIE] What help is that?
1299.53	1303.15	A:	[JOE] Because they didn't like cops. They don't like anyone who'll help a cop.
1299.70	1301.21	A:	[LABOV] ((Because)) they don't like cops.
1304.12	1305.61	A:	[LABOV] And that's uh,
1305.61	1309.81	A:	[LABOV] that's the way of it. But uh, you say that they're not bad in your neighborhood.
1310.34	1312.54	A:	[EDDIE] Well, you can get ((it)) bad.
1311.27	1313.40	A:	[JOE] Dale Street is a -- is a bad b- -- eh
1313.40	1315.06	A:	[JOE] police station like uh. 
1313.99	1319.12	A:	[EDDIE] See, you might get drun- -- you know, picked up for drunk and disorderly, and you might be sober, you know. 
1315.06	1316.58	A:	[JOE] A lot of bad policemen there.
1319.12	1321.32	A:	[EDDIE] You've probably only had one or two drinks.
1321.10	1324.37	A:	[JOE] No I -- I got du- -- I got done for nicking a car.
1321.32	1323.38	A:	[EDDIE] And you get dumped in a cell.
1324.37	1326.89	A:	[JOE] Only joy riding. I wasn't trying to 
1327.10	1328.54	A:	[JOE] change the uh
1328.96	1331.64	A:	[JOE] what's the name on it, the numbers on it, you know. And keep it. 
1330.49	1330.92	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
1331.64	1333.69	A:	[JOE] Just for a joy ride for a few days.
1334.01	1336.03	A:	[JOE] I gets caught. Me mates get away.
1336.03	1338.63	A:	[JOE] I'm in Birkenhead and we nicked the car from Chester.
1338.93	1342.68	A:	[JOE] So two detectives come down from Chester. They interviews me in the cell.
1343.58	1344.75	A:	[JOE] And this --
1345.40	1348.23	A:	[JOE] the boss of the two like, he says to this other fellow, eh
1348.23	1349.34	A:	[JOE] leave us alone.
1349.72	1351.08	A:	[JOE] So he walks out.
1351.71	1355.75	A:	[JOE] He knew what was going to happen like. So d- -- this other fellow grabs me by the scruff of the neck. 
1355.75	1357.10	A:	[JOE] Says, who are your mates?
1357.10	1358.77	A:	[JOE] I says, uh what mates?
1359.39	1361.49	A:	[JOE] Says, come on, you know what I mean. 
1361.49	1362.82	A:	[JOE] I says, well eh
1362.82	1364.15	A:	[JOE] you know what I mean.
1364.15	1365.47	A:	[JOE] I said I'm not telling you.
1365.47	1368.21	A:	[JOE] I said y- you should expect it by now, shouldn't you?
1368.21	1369.70	A:	[JOE] Been in the force long enough.
1370.08	1375.06	A:	[JOE] So at that he just worked me over in the cell. No marks, like, you know. In the stomach and uh -- in the back.
1376.06	1377.60	A:	[JOE] That's the way they are y- --
1377.60	1379.27	A:	[JOE] get them in the street,
1379.27	1382.22	A:	[JOE] these t -- you know they're different blokes all together.
1382.22	1385.48	A:	[JOE] Once they're on their own territory in a cell, they do what they like.
1385.87	1389.96	A:	[LABOV] I've heard that from -- from a couple of guys. Uh,
1389.73	1397.42	A:	[EDDIE] The best of all, though was stripping you bleeding naked and letting you lie on the cold slab, concrete slab. It's freezing. 
1399.78	1400.69	A:	[JOE] And they,
1401.01	1404.51	A:	[JOE] When I had to stay the night in the cell, the breakfast in the morning was terrible. 
1405.77	1408.65	A:	[JOE] I just looked at it and threw it down the bleedin toilet 
1408.65	1410.10	A:	[JOE] Couldn't eat it.
1410.88	1414.13	A:	[EDDIE] ((You've tasted your ma's better.)) 
1413.82	1417.18	A:	[LABOV] Huh. Well that is -- that is (( )). 
1415.88	1419.33	A:	[JOE] I got done another time. It -- in Chester itself.
1419.33	1420.66	A:	[JOE] ((Near Birkenhead)) -- 
1420.66	1423.61	A:	[JOE] and eh, three of us gets caught this time.
1423.61	1428.19	A:	[JOE] So we're all stuffed in the cell, and you know they have the little hole in the door to through your food through.
1428.19	1430.81	A:	[JOE] Well one of the lads, he says, stick your head through.
1430.96	1437.08	A:	[JOE] Did -- he got his head through like, he said, so stick your head through and we can see each other as we are talking. We were in separate cells.
1437.73	1438.68	A:	[JOE] So,
1439.01	1445.38	A:	[JOE] the other lad -- he is a bloody, big, fat fellow. He sticks his head through, and I couldn't get mine through because I had -- my hair was thick and long.
1445.38	1446.80	A:	[JOE] Couldn't get it through.
1446.80	1450.92	A:	[JOE] Next thing, the first fellow he sticks his head back in and the fat fellow's,
1450.92	1457.15	A:	[JOE] Can't get me head out. (( )) Took -- it took four coppers to squeeze him out.
1457.15	1458.70	A:	[JOE] That was Tommy Kiegel.
1458.47	1460.35	A:	[EDDIE] Was it? 
1459.88	1461.73	A:	[JOE] Couldn't get his head out.
1461.67	1462.89	A:	[LABOV] (( ))
1462.69	1467.73	A:	[JOE] And it -- the first time I went up to court with him. I've been up four times like. The first time I goes up,
1467.95	1472.00	A:	[JOE] and I'm -- I'm shitting myself. I'm really scared of these judges.
1472.00	1474.90	A:	[JOE] And uh, I'm standing there and he is over there.
1474.90	1479.42	A:	[JOE] And he comes over to me as the judges are talking to themselves. He comes over, he says, now listen Daggie.
1479.42	1480.42	A:	[JOE] Don't forget,
1480.96	1486.10	A:	[JOE] if this copper says anything that's not true, speak up. And the judges are looking and I'm going, Tommy
1486.10	1488.90	A:	[JOE] will you get back. They're looking at you, Tommy, Tommy.
1489.47	1494.32	A:	[JOE] Oh, I said, Jesus Christ he is going to get us locked up here. Thr- throw -- going to throw the key away.
1496.66	1500.68	A:	[JOE] And the time -- when the lad got got his head stuck in the door like, we all goes up to court.
1501.18	1502.75	A:	[JOE] And my dad was there.
1502.75	1505.42	A:	[JOE] And he bailed me out like. We got remanded for a fortnight.
1505.42	1507.95	A:	[JOE] But there was no one there to represent the other two.
1508.47	1511.53	A:	[JOE] So the judge said, if no one comes by eight o'clock tonight,
1511.97	1516.82	A:	[JOE] the two of youse will be remanded and in um Risley Remand Center for a fortnight ((and)) --
1516.82	1519.24	A:	[JOE] That's a remand center for murderers.
1519.74	1522.26	A:	[JOE] So this Joey fellow, he says um,
1522.50	1526.85	A:	[JOE] oh, I don't mind going to Risley, we can go out of a night and have a game of football.
1527.19	1531.75	A:	[JOE] He thought they were going let eh -- open the door and let him out and go have a play -- eh game of football in the park.
1531.75	1532.88	A:	[JOE] So long as he come back.
1533.83	1535.82	A:	[JOE] You know, he is frigging mad.
1537.53	1539.80	A:	[JOE] The same guy is knocking around with the queers now.
1539.80	1542.03	A:	[JOE] He is getting the money off them like.
1539.83	1540.46	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
1542.54	1543.85	A:	[JOE] Just goes into
1543.85	1545.31	A:	[JOE] a place called the Black Cat.
1545.16	1545.76	A:	[LABOV] Uh-huh.
1545.76	1551.67	A:	[LABOV] Well you know, in New York the queers are getting uh, eh a lot tougher.
1551.67	1555.07	A:	[LABOV] Uh, they used to be kind of you know ((pushed around by everyone)).
1554.91	1555.69	A:	[JOE] Yeah d-
1555.07	1560.47	A:	[LABOV] But uh, now they got their backs up. There was this one big scene where they battled against the police. They knocked the hell out of them.
1560.12	1564.19	A:	[JOE] Didn't they uh have a march somewhere in New York or something. Yeah.
1562.57	1565.67	A:	[LABOV] Yeah, yeah, (( )) 
1564.19	1565.93	A:	[JOE] ((I re- I read that.))
1565.67	1573.37	A:	[LABOV] and uh, you know it -- it really shakes you up because you always think of uh a queer as some guy who who who is uh (( ))
1571.95	1573.71	A:	[EDDIE] Pansy. Poncey.
1572.69	1573.08	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
1573.37	1575.91	A:	[LABOV] But some of these guys are plenty tough.
1574.54	1575.16	A:	[JOE] ((Aye.))
1575.71	1577.00	A:	[JOE] They're after uh
1577.00	1579.84	A:	[JOE] established boozing houses and all this, you know,
1579.84	1582.16	A:	[JOE] made just for queers only and all this.
1581.85	1582.65	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
1582.16	1582.96	A:	[JOE] ((Eh.))
1582.65	1586.22	A:	[LABOV] But this mate of yours he uh picks up a few dollars.
1586.22	1589.00	A:	[JOE] Yeah, he gets the money off them. You know, that's that's all.
1589.53	1595.12	A:	[JOE] Before long they'll all twig on and say, well listen lads, you know, you've been kidding us. Bang.
1595.12	1597.59	A:	[JOE] And some of them are -- some of them are hard people.
1597.59	1600.63	A:	[JOE] There's one works behind the bar. They call him Sadie like
1600.83	1602.98	A:	[JOE] And he is a hard man
1602.98	1605.85	A:	[JOE] I was knocking around with a lad out of work and um,
1605.85	1609.55	A:	[JOE] we goes in there one night, me and a few other fellows and one of them had an umbrella.
1609.76	1612.54	A:	[JOE] ((But t-)) -- the fellows used to wear them then, you know, 
1612.38	1612.95	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
1612.54	1614.21	A:	[JOE] Used to be part of their gear.
1614.76	1618.73	A:	[JOE] So uh the strap was broke on it, the fastener, and he is trying to fix it and,
1618.73	1624.15	A:	[JOE] there was an hard fellow going around collecting the glasses. Sadie's boyfriend, like. Used to go to bed with him and that.
1624.15	1626.04	A:	[JOE] And he come up to us. He says uh, 
1626.04	1629.90	A:	[JOE] what are youse doing like? So we says uh, making love to this umbrella. 
1630.11	1631.81	A:	[JOE] Bloody nutters, youse are.
1631.81	1637.75	A:	[JOE] So we're stroking it -- everyone is stroking it, -- aw, man this umbrella, it's beautiful, you know.
1637.75	1640.19	A:	[JOE] You know, you're frigging mad. So Sadie li- --
1640.19	1646.54	A:	[JOE] He lifts himself over the counter. And he says, listen, and just shows his fist. Bloody big thing, Cassius Clay, you know. 
1646.54	1649.36	A:	[JOE] He says, interfere with my friend,
1649.36	1651.42	A:	[JOE] and I'll sort the lot of you out.
1652.12	1655.19	A:	[JOE] Okay Sadie, okay. No more trouble.
1655.19	1657.41	A:	[JOE] Oh, you know.
1655.51	1658.65	A:	[EDDIE] So happy ((...drop your kecks)) 
1657.41	1658.65	A:	[JOE] ((Keep quiet.))
1658.65	1661.73	A:	[JOE] Oh when Sadie pulls you up, you you listen like.
1661.73	1663.76	A:	[JOE] That's it because, he is one hard man.
1662.46	1663.76	A:	[LABOV] Oh.
1663.76	1665.31	A:	[LABOV] Really.
1665.22	1670.27	A:	[EDDIE] Last time I see him he was growing a beard. I can't believe that though, growing a beard.
1670.27	1672.55	A:	[JOE] No I I don't think he can shave.
1672.53	1673.59	A:	[EDDIE] He does.
1672.55	1676.23	A:	[JOE] He always looks very baby chin, like you know.
1674.67	1675.79	A:	[EDDIE] Naw, he has
1675.79	1678.62	A:	[EDDIE] he has got a dark hair shadow on his --
1676.78	1678.62	A:	[JOE] Not me I can't shave yet.
1678.62	1680.38	A:	[JOE] I'm twenty-one.
1680.49	1681.77	A:	[LABOV] You don't grow a beard.
1681.55	1682.14	A:	[JOE] No.
1683.48	1687.45	A:	[JOE] I'm glad I don't have to s- -- buy razors and all that jazz.
1683.51	1684.54	A:	[LABOV] ((Were you --))
1689.02	1690.17	A:	[EDDIE] Blades?
1690.48	1692.85	A:	[LABOV] Well, if there was uh --
1694.64	1696.31	A:	[LABOV] If you could live anywhere in England
1696.31	1699.97	A:	[LABOV] that you wanted to, or anywhere in the world where would you live?
1700.48	1703.21	A:	[JOE] Ah well I wouldn't ((really)) -- I wouldn't really live here.
1701.21	1701.82	A:	[EDDIE] Hawaii.
1703.21	1706.99	A:	[JOE] Because, uh to me Liverpool is finished. You know it's
1707.82	1708.60	A:	[JOE] not what it --
1707.87	1709.78	A:	[EDDIE] It's not all that bad, really.
1709.52	1710.64	A:	[JOE] No it's 
1709.78	1712.13	A:	[EDDIE] ((Come to think)) it's not all that bad.
1712.04	1714.10	A:	[JOE] it's all changing though.
1714.10	1715.30	A:	[EDDIE] Oh aye yeah.
1715.16	1716.20	A:	[JOE] I mean it
1716.20	1720.41	A:	[JOE] I can't go to town without getting worked over eh -- that's why I don't go.
1720.41	1721.62	A:	[JOE] I don't like town.
1722.24	1723.25	A:	[JOE] And
1723.25	1727.22	A:	[JOE] when I was knocking around with the lads, they'd go to a winery and all that. I don't drink wine. 
1727.98	1730.08	A:	[JOE] What, where I'd like to live? 
1731.32	1734.44	A:	[JOE] Well, Australia is a good place but,
1731.36	1734.31	A:	[EDDIE] Do you know ((oh Hawaii, do they still have the uh))
1734.31	1735.97	A:	[EDDIE] girls with the grass skirts?
1735.97	1738.17	A:	[EDDIE] That's where I'd like to go.
1737.64	1744.18	A:	[LABOV] Hawaii. I was out there this last summer. I spent the whole summer there and it's a beautiful place. It's just incredible.
1740.12	1740.82	A:	[JOE] Mm.
1742.89	1745.46	A:	[EDDIE] What the he- -- (( )) 
1744.18	1750.42	A:	[LABOV] (( )) the grass skirt deal is, is not, is not the issue so much, ((it's)) -- it's a great place. 
1744.41	1745.88	A:	[JOE] You know I- -- I'd like t- --
1750.42	1753.49	A:	[LABOV] They do that just for the tourists, you know. They don't do that all the time.
1753.78	1756.04	A:	[JOE] I'd like to go to Australia meself y- d-
1756.04	1757.72	A:	[JOE] Say Mel- Melbourne.
1757.82	1758.26	A:	[LABOV] Uh-huh.
1757.95	1758.88	A:	[JOE] But,
1758.88	1763.37	A:	[JOE] what always frightened me was, you know the way they -- they were in with the Americans in Vietnam, and that.
1763.25	1763.75	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
1763.59	1765.17	A:	[JOE] On a conscription thing. 
1765.17	1766.48	A:	[JOE] Are they still in there?
1766.48	1770.92	A:	[LABOV] They getting out. There's a lot of opposition to the to the uh war in Austr-
1766.86	1767.99	A:	[JOE] The Aussies. 
1770.22	1773.46	A:	[JOE] I mean i- -- is the Australians still in there, like? No?
1772.92	1777.74	A:	[LABOV] I heard that they were -- I don't think they've ever had a draft. They got conscription there?
1777.80	1778.72	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
1777.91	1778.76	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
1778.72	1780.19	A:	[EDDIE] In Australia, yeah.
1778.73	1779.58	A:	[LABOV] ((They do?))
1779.52	1780.14	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
1780.14	1782.42	A:	[JOE] See uh, if I was, say to, emigrate. 
1780.25	1780.78	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
1782.42	1787.34	A:	[JOE] You know, I could be there say, six months. The next thing me papers come through the bloody post and I'm in there.
1787.06	1788.79	A:	[LABOV] I think they're getting out of it.
1788.79	1789.97	A:	[LABOV] I think they are.
1789.97	1793.62	A:	[LABOV] Uh, besides that, I think that -- that we're -- 
1793.62	1796.38	A:	[LABOV] we got to put an end to it. ((It's going on)) ten years.
1796.19	1796.91	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
1797.79	1798.57	A:	[LABOV] Right.
1799.28	1801.20	A:	[LABOV] But not Liverpool.
1801.03	1801.67	A:	[JOE] No.
1803.19	1805.84	A:	[JOE] You know, e- I get browned off half the time.
1806.18	1807.76	A:	[JOE] I mean, the pub I go in like,
1807.76	1811.89	A:	[JOE] I go in the same one e- every afternoon and every night while I'm on the dole like. 
1812.21	1815.27	A:	[JOE] And the same thing all the time. We have a game of darts.
1815.27	1816.59	A:	[JOE] A little joking.
1816.59	1820.93	A:	[JOE] We stay behind after hours and that's it, until the next day, the same thing again. 
1820.57	1821.52	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
1821.22	1823.89	A:	[JOE] And it goes on seven days a week with me.
1825.08	1826.11	A:	[JOE] I do- -- you know.
1825.85	1828.79	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah, but you want to try work. It's lovely eh
1828.79	1831.88	A:	[EDDIE] thing to do, you know. 
1829.88	1831.17	A:	[JOE] Listen Ed.
1832.95	1836.66	A:	[JOE] I'd work anywhere. I've been after quite a few jobs but, I just can't get them.
1835.83	1838.28	A:	[EDDIE] (( ))
1840.17	1841.72	A:	[EDDIE] You can have my job if you want.
1841.64	1845.72	A:	[JOE] I'd I'd work anywhere t- -- I even -- when I went down the dole the other week I asked --
1845.72	1849.06	A:	[JOE] There are supposed to be twenty-thousand jobs coming from Germany.
1849.06	1851.88	A:	[JOE] To help the British people out like you know. 
1851.88	1854.77	A:	[JOE] Send us over there to do these various jobs.
1854.77	1857.03	A:	[JOE] So I went down the dole, I says uh,
1857.03	1860.03	A:	[JOE] I goes in to ask if there was any job at all. He said, no.
1860.39	1861.34	A:	[JOE] I said, well
1861.34	1864.35	A:	[JOE] have you had anything through from Germany, about these other jobs?
1864.35	1866.09	A:	[JOE] He said, we've heard nothing.
1866.09	1869.29	A:	[JOE] So I put me name down, you know. He said, uh what would you like to work as?
1869.29	1870.53	A:	[JOE] I said, on the docks.
1871.51	1873.26	A:	[JOE] So he took me name down in
1873.26	1875.87	A:	[JOE] dock work like. Anything to do with docks.
1876.17	1879.45	A:	[JOE] So if anything comes through and they want a dock worker,
1879.75	1881.82	A:	[JOE] They just look up how many people w- --
1882.11	1883.93	A:	[JOE] want to work on the docks and they -- 
1883.93	1885.64	A:	[JOE] we all go for an interview.
1885.64	1887.55	A:	[JOE] I'd love to ((work and that))
1885.70	1890.04	A:	[EDDIE] ((I know)) we had a few students f- -- in our place the other week. They were from Germany.
1890.04	1891.93	A:	[EDDIE] Now, what were they?
1891.93	1893.87	A:	[EDDIE] One was studying to be a teacher.
1893.87	1898.87	A:	[EDDIE] Believe ((this other)) fellow was uh a millionaire in Germany or something.
1898.87	1901.11	A:	[EDDIE] Fellow worth knowing, like.
1901.07	1904.07	A:	[JOE] Another place I'd like to live though is Sweden. All them birds.
1904.87	1906.40	A:	[JOE] Aw.
1906.56	1908.56	A:	[LABOV] Swedish people are very cold.
1908.56	1910.77	A:	[LABOV] I'll tell you, you won't make many friends there. 
1910.95	1911.36	A:	[JOE] Hm?
1911.30	1912.20	A:	[EDDIE] Cold?
1911.34	1914.36	A:	[LABOV] They -- Yeah the -- hard to --
1914.53	1915.63	A:	[EDDIE] Get on with.
1915.31	1918.14	A:	[LABOV] Well yeah, they don't care if you live or die.
1918.14	1926.28	A:	[LABOV] and uh I don't think you -- you'd like it. But Hawaii is beautiful I li- -- you know there's a tremendous in number of -- You guys don't do much swimming.
1926.35	1927.99	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah, we go swimming.
1927.55	1929.14	A:	[JOE] Go swimming -- not a lot though.
1928.98	1935.15	A:	[LABOV] You never saw swimming uh like they have there in uh s- -- body surfing. That's ((what I call)) sensational, wow.
1933.11	1934.20	A:	[EDDIE] Aw.
1933.12	1934.02	A:	[JOE] Yes.
1935.15	1945.99	A:	[LABOV] There's one place out there that uh the k- -- I used to hang around the Hawaiian kids, and they'd -- they showed me this beach where the waves -- well they uh they come up just as high as that tree there and uh
1944.88	1945.62	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
1945.99	1950.35	A:	[LABOV] It's just just unbelievable. I like to do a lot of underwater swimming, too.
1950.37	1952.08	A:	[JOE] Oh, them sharks, I don't like.
1954.03	1956.30	A:	[JOE] They have them -- they have them around Hawaii. Don't they?
1955.85	1962.96	A:	[LABOV] Yeah well they have -- sharks are not so much the problem. There was some barracuda out where I was swimming under water, which are supposed to be dangerous but they didn't bother me. 
1962.03	1962.73	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
1962.96	1965.74	A:	[LABOV] But you never saw such fish. Terrific.
1965.74	1967.32	A:	[LABOV] And then, it's beautiful.
1967.32	1971.09	A:	[LABOV] And the weather is -- well e- -- actually you can't beat this. 
1971.09	1978.38	A:	[LABOV] ((Is it al- -- you know,)) every -- almost every uh day I've been here in England it's been something like this, and I know it's very strange.
1971.10	1971.70	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
1978.38	1979.95	A:	[JOE] How long are you over here for now?
1979.95	1981.95	A:	[LABOV] Oh about three more weeks. 
1981.95	1984.74	A:	[LABOV] Uh tomorrow we're going to up to um Scotland.
1984.74	1985.38	A:	[JOE] Eh.
1985.52	1989.71	A:	[LABOV] Then I'll go back down uh, down ((and go over to Norwich,)) and back to London. 
1989.71	1994.01	A:	[LABOV] And uh, eh maybe get into Manchester a bit.
1994.01	1997.06	A:	[LABOV] And uh me wife is uh is traveling with me.
1997.06	2004.36	A:	[LABOV] Uh she was uh and uh we're working uh pretty hard but actually it isn't w- -- I I enjoy meeting people and uh 
2004.36	2007.72	A:	[LABOV] I've made a lot of a lot of friends
2007.72	2011.59	A:	[LABOV] Uh there's nothing like it. I'd like to hang around the ((pubs more)), but like I said, it's just too noisy.
2011.71	2012.36	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
2012.35	2014.22	A:	[LABOV] It's impossible. See.
2014.02	2020.25	A:	[JOE] Well, you know. A lot of young people eh our age they -- they can't stand a quiet -- I don't like a quiet pub.
2014.93	2016.44	A:	[EDDIE] Well, it is --
2020.16	2024.82	A:	[LABOV] I know, I know that. ((It's j- b-)) I don't mind the noise except for because the fact that --
2024.12	2024.59	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
2024.82	2029.59	A:	[LABOV] See if somebody -- suppose you start me a great story because because Joe is a good talker, right? He really is. 
2028.36	2029.37	A:	[EDDIE] Uh-huh.
2029.37	2032.08	A:	[EDDIE] He'll talk the arse off anyone. 
2029.59	2030.36	A:	[LABOV] And
2031.86	2037.51	A:	[LABOV] And like I could tell when he was ((running into something down to you)) before. What were you -- you were telling Eddie about something when I was coming up.
2033.77	2034.45	A:	[JOE] Eh.
2036.93	2040.28	A:	[JOE] Oh it was something about uh -- What was it now?
2040.28	2041.30	A:	[JOE] Um.
2041.09	2042.37	A:	[LABOV] Something in the pub last night.
2042.97	2044.68	A:	[JOE] Oh I yeah -- you know.
2044.85	2048.86	A:	[JOE] Me mates had a drink and, went down the wrong hole.
2048.30	2048.86	A:	[LABOV] Oh.
2048.86	2051.09	A:	[JOE] And uh, I thought he was having a fit.
2050.79	2051.55	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
2051.09	2053.52	A:	[JOE] He grabbed hold of me from the back and that
2053.52	2057.94	A:	[JOE] His face was bulging out. I thought his uh blood vessels were going to go.
2057.94	2060.66	A:	[JOE] Eh you know, I got worried there for a minute.
2061.51	2062.28	A:	[JOE] And you know th-
2061.66	2065.16	A:	[EDDIE] Well, he does take fits the same fellow. He (( )) with me.
2062.66	2063.59	A:	[JOE] I heard,
2063.59	2065.18	A:	[JOE] I heard um
2065.16	2066.62	A:	[EDDIE] He takes fits.
2066.41	2067.18	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
2066.78	2071.70	A:	[JOE] I heard once on a -- a show on the telly that uh -- this doctor Michael Winstanley.
2071.70	2073.19	A:	[JOE] And he says like,
2073.19	2078.59	A:	[JOE] if you ever see anyone having a fit an e- -- epilet- -- epileptic fit, or whatever you call it,
2076.00	2077.64	A:	[EDDIE] Epileptic, yeah.
2076.75	2077.54	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
2078.59	2079.74	A:	[JOE] uh,
2079.74	2083.09	A:	[JOE] never try to break him out of it. Let him carry on.
2082.96	2083.58	A:	[LABOV] Uh-huh.
2083.54	2085.77	A:	[JOE] Until it's over. He said, because uh the -- 
2085.77	2088.98	A:	[JOE] the worst thing to do is uh, interfere. So,
2088.98	2091.32	A:	[JOE] I didn't know what to do when I seen him doing this (( )).
2089.73	2094.59	A:	[EDDIE] Well, in this country, if you hit anyone, who's having fits, you can be put away for it.
2094.42	2095.51	A:	[LABOV] Yeah?
2094.59	2098.31	A:	[EDDIE] Can -- can you do that in Am -- you can? ((It is.))
2096.95	2097.94	A:	[JOE] Never knew that.
2098.31	2100.53	A:	[EDDIE] Is that the same in America?
2100.97	2102.15	A:	[LABOV] I didn't know anything about it.
2101.71	2103.11	A:	[JOE] I didn't.
2102.15	2103.84	A:	[LABOV] (( )) ((everybody asks)).
2102.46	2107.93	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah. (( )) If you hit anyone with a fit, you -- I'm not sure if he -- while he is having a fit,
2107.93	2111.87	A:	[EDDIE] or if, you know he is just playing, like. But -- I'm not sure, but,
2111.87	2115.15	A:	[EDDIE] whichever it is, ((you can be put away for it, you can be fined)).
2112.93	2117.28	A:	[JOE] Well you can be -- you can be done for it and anyone c- -- I could hit you and you can take me to court and that's it.
2117.43	2123.04	A:	[EDDIE] No, well, you could cla- -- I could -- you could claim eh self defense or anything like that. I caused a nark.
2123.04	2125.57	A:	[EDDIE] I believe ah I'm not sure which way it is, like,
2125.57	2128.09	A:	[EDDIE] while he is having -- actually having a fit or
2128.09	2131.54	A:	[EDDIE] you know, he is all right, I'm not sure. But you can be done for it.
2130.74	2131.49	A:	[JOE] Oh well d- --
2131.49	2137.17	A:	[JOE] When you t- -- If he was having a fit, you could always get round it by saying, well I thought it was the best thing to do to break him out.
2136.40	2140.20	A:	[LABOV] I don't think -- that doesn't always work. There's a big problem called the the good Samaritan
2140.15	2140.77	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
2140.20	2146.89	A:	[LABOV] case that comes up in uh all the time and y- you ca- -- you can get into trouble uh in a case like that.
2148.96	2150.82	A:	[LABOV] wh- if now --
2150.82	2156.27	A:	[LABOV] If there was one thing that that happened to you in your life so far that you'd never forget what would that be?
2157.59	2158.81	A:	[JOE] I don't know.
2157.74	2159.09	A:	[EDDIE] ((Uh-huh.))
2158.81	2159.93	A:	[JOE] One thing.
2159.09	2162.86	A:	[EDDIE] ((One thing)). One thing doing in your life what you'd never forget.
2162.86	2164.50	A:	[EDDIE] I say uh.
2164.50	2167.25	A:	[EDDIE] Going to bed with Sophia Loren or
2166.38	2167.09	A:	[JOE] No.
2167.25	2168.67	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
2168.91	2173.37	A:	[JOE] Do you mean one thing in the future or what -- what I've already done? Ok- -- what I've already done.
2169.89	2173.37	A:	[LABOV] No, something that did happen. Something that did happen.
2174.61	2177.40	A:	[EDDIE] Me ma and da separating.
2177.40	2180.78	A:	[EDDIE] That's the best thing that could ever happen to me, I think.
2180.05	2181.43	A:	[LABOV] Yeah, how come?
2181.28	2182.50	A:	[JOE] Yeah well t- s- -- 
2181.95	2183.50	A:	[EDDIE] They're always fighting, you know.
2183.50	2184.66	A:	[EDDIE] Narking.
2184.66	2186.43	A:	[EDDIE] Well, for me now
2186.43	2190.11	A:	[EDDIE] it's ((nice)) so I can do things, like, if I don't --
2190.11	2194.00	A:	[EDDIE] say, two years ago me ma would've got onto me
2194.00	2200.80	A:	[EDDIE] and in the end I would've had a nark with her. That would've been me getting thrown out or, you know, kick up the arse, something like that.
2199.85	2200.76	A:	[JOE] Well,
2200.38	2201.62	A:	[LABOV] You living with your dad?
2201.51	2202.11	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
2202.11	2204.78	A:	[EDDIE] Uh, you know, just me and me dad and me brother.
2204.34	2206.08	A:	[LABOV] And you get on good.
2206.68	2210.53	A:	[EDDIE] Well, now I'm the black sheep of the family, you know. I'm --
2210.53	2212.33	A:	[EDDIE] I'm the bad one of the family.
2211.84	2212.28	A:	[LABOV] Mhm.
2212.33	2212.96	A:	[EDDIE] You know an-
2212.67	2215.07	A:	[JOE] well, we work both the same way except,
2215.07	2219.72	A:	[JOE] I'm living with me mam and me dad is living in me brother's house. He is married like, me brother.
2219.72	2223.32	A:	[JOE] They're only separated like. But, me dad is a bit of a drunk.
2222.98	2223.47	A:	[LABOV] Mhm.
2223.32	2226.12	A:	[JOE] Comes in pissed up to the bleeding eye balls and that and -- 
2225.93	2227.61	A:	[EDDIE] ((Uh, same with me half-brother.)) 
2226.81	2229.92	A:	[JOE] You know, I did- -- He'd give me ma eh her bare wages.
2229.92	2234.06	A:	[JOE] And if he has got say forty nicker, he'd go and out and he'd throw thirty quid on a horse.
2234.06	2235.93	A:	[JOE] Comes in last. He'd say, oh well
2235.93	2236.58	A:	[JOE] tough.
2237.06	2239.78	A:	[JOE] And he'd come in pissed up to the eyeballs and he,
2239.78	2242.18	A:	[JOE] arguing about me smashing into this.
2242.18	2245.79	A:	[JOE] He broke the cabinet one day, you know, full of china and that.
2245.79	2248.89	A:	[JOE] And they've been going on ever since I was born like.
2248.89	2250.23	A:	[JOE] And uh,
2250.23	2254.15	A:	[JOE] at the time I blamed me mam and you know we -- we like to get me dad in,
2254.15	2260.10	A:	[JOE] take his shoes off and throw him in the bleeding room and let him sleep it off. But, me ma is nagging and nagging.
2260.10	2266.37	A:	[JOE] And me dad -- he sobers up a bit as she's been going on for hours. He gets up, aw well, frigg you and he lobs one into her.
2266.37	2270.02	A:	[JOE] So then he'd uh -- I've got to jump on him or somebody has
2270.02	2271.29	A:	[JOE] to stop it.
2272.12	2274.07	A:	[JOE] I'd like to see him back in the house like.
2274.07	2275.05	A:	[JOE] But uh, 
2275.05	2277.50	A:	[JOE] like he still -- he comes in the same pub I drink in.
2277.33	2278.37	A:	[LABOV] Mm.
2277.73	2281.91	A:	[JOE] But, I don't drink with him much because, I'm a pint drinker and I like to drink a pint.
2281.80	2282.28	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
2281.91	2283.49	A:	[JOE] And when I'm in company
2283.30	2283.74	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
2283.49	2284.61	A:	[JOE] you say
2284.61	2285.70	A:	[JOE] uh,
2285.70	2290.29	A:	[JOE] uncles and aunties. Me dad is there and he's on a glass of draft, Guinness.
2289.79	2290.42	A:	[LABOV] Uh-huh.
2290.29	2296.46	A:	[JOE] And he is drinking down, and then everybody else is on a pint. So he is saying, have I got to pee again. He is making a show of you.
2296.46	2297.27	A:	[JOE] You know, he is 
2297.27	2299.22	A:	[JOE] half bleeding pissed. 
2299.22	2300.66	A:	[JOE] And uh,
2300.66	2303.86	A:	[JOE] you know, you showed up at nine o'cl- -- you get out
2303.86	2308.43	A:	[JOE] say half seven. Nine o'clock he is legless. He can't even sta- -- can't even sit down. 
2308.43	2311.11	A:	[JOE] Well, you know the stools without any back?
2311.11	2315.86	A:	[JOE] W- yeah in the pub. Now, me dad only the other week, was sitting in the parlor in Bents,
2311.12	2311.56	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
2315.86	2318.89	A:	[JOE] And me dad was going like that (( ))
2318.89	2320.92	A:	[JOE] And he'd get back again. 
2320.92	2323.49	A:	[JOE] And he forgot there was no back, and he went like that.
2323.72	2328.09	A:	[JOE] And he is -- you know he is going like -- me brother just grabbed eh -- dragged him back.
2328.55	2333.73	A:	[JOE] He finished his glass off and I could just grabbed a hold of him, threw him out the door, in the car, took him home.
2334.10	2335.41	A:	[JOE] He said, that's it.
2334.99	2338.86	A:	[LABOV] So you you uh you've -- you had it as far as I'm concer- -- so you're living with your mom.
2338.64	2339.34	A:	[JOE] Yeah.
2340.39	2347.28	A:	[LABOV] But uh, you say it's the best thing that could happen to you but, you must have been a bit of uh -- you know, kind of upsetting at the time.
2347.55	2349.45	A:	[EDDIE] Well, it was. I was
2349.45	2352.20	A:	[EDDIE] oh, only about fifteen at the time. 
2351.61	2352.24	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
2352.10	2353.78	A:	[JOE] I seen your mother yesterday, and all.
2353.62	2354.28	A:	[EDDIE] Did you?
2354.38	2356.65	A:	[JOE] Yeah, as we were walking home from here.
2356.59	2359.50	A:	[EDDIE] I don't know. I'm soft ((in a way)). Me ma,
2359.50	2361.32	A:	[EDDIE] the fellow she is knocking around with,
2361.32	2363.59	A:	[EDDIE] he has got thousands of pounds in the bank.
2363.20	2365.26	A:	[JOE] Where's he live? Let's go up there.
2365.12	2366.37	A:	[EDDIE] ((No, Eskit's wholesale.))
2366.37	2369.26	A:	[EDDIE] On ((Curtdale)), the big yellow ((chef)). That's it.
2369.26	2373.46	A:	[EDDIE] And she offered me to go and live with them, and I told her to go and frigg off.
2373.46	2375.45	A:	[EDDIE] I must be soft.
2376.84	2378.96	A:	[EDDIE] ((I don't know )) I can't stand him, though he is
2378.96	2383.29	A:	[EDDIE] know what ah -- an ex-army colonel, you know, you know.
2383.29	2384.51	A:	[EDDIE] Like that, ((kind of)).
2384.84	2385.59	A:	[LABOV] Yeah?
2385.59	2387.30	A:	[LABOV] Talk- -- talks posh, eh?
2386.99	2388.28	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
2388.21	2389.72	A:	[LABOV] And parts his hair this way.
2389.72	2391.36	A:	[LABOV] Parts his hair on both sides.
2389.84	2390.90	A:	[EDDIE] Uh.
2390.90	2392.88	A:	[EDDIE] No, he is bald, you know.
2392.85	2393.28	A:	[LABOV] Oh.
2392.88	2395.73	A:	[EDDIE] You can see (( )) being parted in the middle.
2393.07	2394.01	A:	[JOE] Aw bald.
2393.90	2395.22	A:	[LABOV] There must have
2395.62	2396.49	A:	[LABOV] With a mustache 
2395.73	2397.69	A:	[EDDIE] A little bit, yeah.
2397.34	2398.36	A:	[LABOV] Ooh.
2397.69	2399.55	A:	[EDDIE] (( ))
2398.36	2402.24	A:	[LABOV] (( )) then they use it's sort of a wild grey like a (( ))
2401.98	2402.51	A:	[EDDIE] Yeah.
2403.03	2403.84	A:	[LABOV] Nice.
2405.36	2406.12	A:	[LABOV] Well,
2405.43	2407.98	A:	[EDDIE] And he -- he has got thousands of pounds you know.
2407.92	2408.28	A:	[LABOV] Yeah.
2407.98	2411.20	A:	[EDDIE] He has got a wholesaling shop, North Street shop, tobacconist.
2411.20	2414.95	A:	[EDDIE] Big whole salers. I must be icky. I don't know.
2414.95	2418.65	A:	[EDDIE] Every time I see him, he says, have you learned to drive?
2418.65	2422.78	A:	[EDDIE] One time I asked me ma. You know, I always see me ma every now and again, like.
2422.78	2424.46	A:	[EDDIE] How come he keeps asking me